I see your reply, I'll check out your links when I can, I several things converging at once over including including a leaky roof, fucked up ceiling, no working heat all of which I'm fixing myself almost done too. Also, a family member on hospice who's gonna kick off in the next 24hrs plus more stuff. Just letting you know I saw it and will reply soon. I appreciate and respect you and Chuck's perspective and back and forth, even if I don't always agree.