Domspeak Forums Discussions Off Topic & Politics Was Trump involved with Epstein???

It seems that the ONLY news source that reports the news is the Gateway Pundit these days.... Fox sure as hell doesn't report anything newsworthy..

Apparently we are NEVER going to see the Epstein files and that client list because Trump hired people to cover up for him.. (ie: Kash Patel, Bondi and Bongino) all freaking liars ..

There is no doubt that Trump not only knew Epstein but they were VERY good friends. There are several videos proving this...

The whole system is rigged...


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/07/if-jeffrey-epstein-had-no-client-list-then/

October 13, 2024:
"When I'm elected I will release ALL of the Epstein files and finally bring justice to the victims. We will jail those responsible... THAT IS MY PROMISE."
--DJT on Truth Social

July 8, 2025:
“I can’t believe you’re still asking questions about Epstein!”
--DJT at his cabinet meeting

Trump with one of his best friends Epstein.

https://youtube.com/shorts/OrCdLnd_It8?si=R3smLszJjlh1er71

Now he is also backtracking on Ukraine too..

You look at Trump and celebrate the victories the Deep State have had in thwarting Trump's presidency.
I look at trump and am in awe of his accomplishments.

You offer your opinion without support--just the assumption that everyone except yourself is evil.
I recognize the obstacles as well as the accomplishments and appreciate Trump's efforts.
No other person could do what he has done to eliminate waste, corruption, invading immigrants, DEI obsession, "green" follies, etc. and increase energy independence, military strength, improve the economy, etc.

As to Epstein, you offer a 30+ year-old video. It is well documented that in later years, Trump despised him.
I don't know enough to know the consequences of revealing the handling of Epstein issue.
Like yourself, all I can do is speculate.
Here's one theory: Is This Trump’s Reasoning Behind His Handling of the Epstein Files?
FTA:
As to Ukraine, Trump apparently thought the leaders would be open to paths that would end the conflict and misjudged the political capitol the respective leaders would lose in accepting any compromise.
Still, Trump is endeavoring to end the conflict. In order to bring Russia to the negotiating table, Ukraine has to have some ability to resist.
Trump has shifted much of that burden on other NATO nations that have previously only offered to be cheerleaders.
Trump's latest attempt is to use the power of tariffs:
Trump’s 50-Day Ultimatum to Putin: End the War or Face Economic Ruin
FTA:

What I am saying is that maybe ALL of us have been fooled big time by Trump... Including and especially myself because nobody was more pro Trump than me. And you know this...

You know it is possible that he lied and used everybody to gain power....

Hell just yesterday he basically told his own supporters to piss off and he "doesn't need them anymore".....

Its sickening.

By the way, that video of Trump and Epstein 30 years ago is absolutely disgusting.. Trump was still close to 50 years old in that video.....It's outrageous as a matter of fact....

That video also proves two things:

1. Without a doubt Trump and Epstein were about as buddy buddy and pals as two people can possibly be. They look like BEST friends in that video...

And

2. Trump SUCKS at picking friends, he sucks at picking lawyers, he sucks at picking cabinet people and he totally SUCKS at who he endorses....These are facts....

You just don't want to admit that Trumps entire life has been about himself. He will use/lie and cheat anyone to get what he wants....

Why can't you see this?


Do you know anything at all about this man?

You write....



"No other person could do what he has done to eliminate waste, corruption, invading immigrants, DEI obsession, "green" follies, etc. and increase energy independence, military strength, improve the economy, etc."

Eliminate waste... Have you actually read the BBB? The bill is still keeping a lot of the waste..

Corruption: Why is he endorsing Lindsay Graham again? One of the most corrupt politicians that has ever existed.. Trumps endorsements of people like this continue the Corruption.

Invading immigrants: Then why is he ALLOWING amnesty to illegal invaders who work on farms and hospitality industries? He is full of shit...

Increase energy independence: Why are gas and oil prices HIGHER now than when he first took office in January? (Maybe it's because of his foreign policy objectives in Iran and Ukraine)

Improve the economy: Yeah right, everything is a LOT more expensive now. The cost of practically everything has gone UP since he came back into power....

In all fairness, some of the prices at grocery stores like Walmart are purposely HIGH because they are using Trumps tariffs as an excuse /reason to keep prices artificially high....

Either way, because of Trump, people are suffering....Prices of everything are higher and the Trump family has profited greatly.

If true, do you not think it was necessary to get elected?
Look at the results of Obama and Biden administrations.
Trump is the only one rich enough and smart enough to slow and/or reverse the trends of corruption and waste.
The Deep State doesn't play fair and, even with Trump in power, it fights him every step of the way.

I believe he wants to go down in history as the country's best president.
I don't think that is a bad goal.

It is the result of compromises.
Remember, he only has a razor's edge in Congress.
You have fallen into the trap in thinking he is indeed a god or king.

I don't pretend to know Trump's reasoning.
I do see him shaking up and/or eliminating established corrupt institutions like no one else has in decades, if ever.

Again, there is always a need for some compromise and minimizing the suffering for all involved.
I look to the fact that illegal immigration has been stopped and efforts to deport are being made.

Or maybe it requires more than a half year to reverse the horrible policies of the previous Deep State administrations.

Not nearly so much as with the Biden years.
Again: "...maybe it requires more than a half year to reverse the horrible policies of the previous Deep State administrations."

No. Any suffering that political policies inflict, it's in spite of trump's efforts, not because.

You have an answer for everything don't you?


Well let me tell you exactly when I turned on Trump..

It was his endorsement AGAIN for Lindsey Graham. Graham is the most despicable POS I have ever seen. The guy was booed off the stage during a Trump rally. I have had enough of Trump and everyone else associated with Washington.

I try to address most points.
When the points made are unsupported, it comes down to speculation and speculation is easy.

Trump looks past flaws and selects people that he wants/needs support from.

"Trump looks past flaws and selects people he wants/needs help from"

In other words Trump doesn't want to endorse the other guy in South Carolina because he is afraid of what will happen if he loses.. And you get a disgruntled Lindsey Graham for another 6 years....


So in reality Trump IS NOT "draining the swamp" he is enabling the swamp.. Because Trump is now a part of the swamp...

By far Lindsey Graham is the most HATED/UNLIKED republican in Washington. And it's not even close.....

For the record Trump also endorsed the other Scum Mitch McConnell too.

That's possible.
Again, Trump is playing a bigger game than just one or two players.

Since you object to Trump, tell me, if you had your pick, who would you choose instead of Trump?

It's a stupid question because you know I don't like any of them...

So basically we had no choice as usual...

And you know exactly what I think of the "535"

I am saying that Trump was so good that he was able to capitalize off the anger and frustration of the American people...

Hitler was able to pull off the same trick...

BTW,

I would argue that Nazi Germany under Hitler had one of the most efficient and robust economies in world history. Of course only if you were German..

The question was open to anyone, not just politicians.
If indeed, you would not approve of anyone to be president, then we lose the opportunity of having any say in our leadership--essentially the situation during the Biden administration.

What does Hitler have to do with anything?

When you have to spend 2 billion dollars to win a job that only pays $400,000 you know something is wrong with this picture....

The same holds true for all these house and Senate seats . The whole political system is a joke and a lie...


"What does Hitler have to do with it"



A lot, because Trump has achieved power with the same charismatic talk.. The Germans were fed up with their government so they supported Hitler. Same situation today with Trump....

Both are complete showmen...

Truly a patriotic public servant.
Trump's wealth decreased in his first term yet he fought hard and risked his life and fortune to get a second term.

Hitler's evil was evident in what he did with the power, not how he attained it.
1) Hitler acted on his hatred of Jews while Trump supports them and fights to stop a repeat of Hitler's atrocities despite the protests of educated/indoctrinated activists/law-instructors.
2) Hitler started wars while Trump has been tirelessly working to prevent and end them.

By your logic, all artists are evil because Hitler aspired to be one.

"Hitler's evil was evident in what he did with the power, not how he attained it."

What does it profit a man if he should gain the whole world and loses his soul....

This saying NEVER applied more than it does to a man like Trump....


It's just too bad that you believe he is doing all of this for you and the "American People" ..

The truth is he doesn't give a shit about you or me or the "AmericanPeople".. We will NEVER be invited into his inner circle....

Trump is ALL about making a profit.... And please STOP with the bullshit that "Trump lost money during his first term"....

His family was making a steady profit while they were in charge...

Hell word on the street is that Jared Kushner/Ivanka profited billions with their Saudi deals....

Trump has profited at least a billion dollars per month since he has been back in office. This is a fact.....

It also makes me laugh hard when people say "Trump donates his measly $400,000 salary to charity" as if he is working for nothing...

That's freaking pocket change....

Don't worry because Trump is doing exactly what Hitler/Stalin/Mao/Kim Jung Un/Putin and many other dictators did.. Confiscate everything....

And yet the people praise him....Wow ..

Wake the Hell up.

Btw,

How much do you wanna bet that eventually he deports Elon Musk and confiscates his money/businesses?

That is coming watch... Not that I give a rats ass about Elon Musk.

A "fact" that you have stated before but never sourced.

You couldn't answer my previous question, namely: "...if you had your pick, who would you choose instead of Trump?"
So let me rephrase: Can you think of anyone who could be a better president than Trump at this stage of America's history?

Nobody.....I would not vote for anyone for Congress or for President...

If you want to know the truth, I think the government should stay out of people's lives... Our government like every other government in history is corrupt to the core....

Government creates and causes most of the problems we have in the world. Especially wars.....

Man was not meant and incapable of governing themselves..

Period....

Just look at the way you talk. Either you have to be on one side or the other...You have been conditioned to think and act just like the media/government wants you to think and act...

Therefore, you think Trump is the best man for the job.

Without government, there would be no civilization.
Our founding fathers created the best system in history.
Unfortunately, that system has been abused and is falling apart.
Personally, I think Trump is our best shot (long shot) at salvaging it.

Luckily, I'm influenced by my selection of media and am able to logically interpret it so I find myself on the correct (should I say "right") side of issues.

"Personally I think Trump is our best shot"


Let me ask you something...

Don't you think that Trump picks the wrong people to associate with? How on God's green earth can you defend his absolute friendship that he had with Epstein? Seriously....

I can't defend that. And Epstein is only 1 of hundreds of questionable associates Trump has had over the decades.

For years he was a Democrat and he was close personal friends/supporter of both Clinton's. They were at his wedding for God's sake...

How about all the dozens of BAD picks he has made for government positions during his terms... 3 BAD AGS, 2 Really bad Supreme Court Justices... The list goes on and on....

How about his personal attorney Cohen?

Everybody that has ever befriended Trump has betrayed Trump and the American citizens in the process....

How about Trump letting Hillary Clinton off the hook?

That was like sticking the middle finger up at his supporters..Don't you think? How are you OK with all of this....

How about Trump declaring 10,000 times that he would end the Ukraine war "on day 1".....And he would "stop funding Ukraine"

Trump has done the exact opposite.... Now another 60-100 billion more dollars are going to Ukraine in this "Big beautiful bill"...

Tell me how you can defend his lies?

Btw,

I am not sure if you heard Trumps interview with Howard Stern years ago. But it is utterly disgusting. I just heard it for the first time yesterday. He talks about banging 20 year olds and laughs when Stern asks about "12 year olds"

This is the man we both voted for...

P.S.

How can you defend a man who repeatedly keeps endorsing monsters like Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell. Trump has continually thrown his support for these 2 animals while they continually stab him and us in the back......It's sickening.

Answer my questions. When is enough enough?

Every waking hour of every waking day the only thing talked about in this country on every network is TRUMP.......TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP..

It's almost like the lives of everyone in this country/world revolve around Trump....

He is the Antichrist in my humble opinion.

Trump has interacted with thousands of people.
It is inevitable that some of those would have major character flaws.
In his official capacity, there is often the need to interact and negotiate with those who he may have issues with.
He is more about moving foreword than getting revenge.
As to Epstein: WHOOPS: Media accidentally clears Trump in Epstein saga while trying to smear him…

And his stance has changed as he learned more about them and the Democrat party.

I have addressed your questions without getting into specifics.
In just 6 months, Trump has done a remarkable job in attacking the Deep State considering the opposition he gets from all angles--judiciary, media (both entertainment and news), everyone who profits from the waste he is reducing, etc.

And those network sources are where you have found the talking points you of which are so fond.
Here's one article you should enjoy:
Six Months In, Trump Has Too Many Failures To Count | Opinion
If you are half the lawyer you claim to be you should be able to pick apart the points presented--not parrot them.
And look at the Democrat inflation talking point you parrot:
Democrats Posted This Chart to Embarrass Trump—But It Completely Blew Up in Their Faces/

Don't they?

If I was into such things, I would nominate Obama.

After all this discussion. you are unable to come up with a person you think could do a better job than Trump.

I am smart enough to not be fooled by a man like Trump. Unfortunately I can not say the same for you...

Re: Epstein and Trump relationship...There are plenty of videos and pictures of the two party pals hanging out together looking for young chick's too....Epstein was at Trumps wedding for God's Sake...

Nice friend..

"A person that would do a better job than Trump"


They are all corrupt. I have yet to see any person who has run for political office who wasn't corrupt.

I would not vote for anyone because man is incapable of governing over themselves. Man is instinctively evil and destructive when given power over others.

I asked about job performance, not personality traits.

If so, how does civilization work?

Some individuals use a question as a way to deflect from a topic or avoid giving a direct response, especially if they don't want to reveal something or disagree with the questioner.
In these cases, the follow-up question might be a tactic to shift the focus or buy time.

This is exactly what you do everytime....

You know exactly how I feel about Trumps association with this endless list of scumbags......He has POOR judgement.

He always picks the wrong people for every position. Trump is a selfish glory hound who Only cares about himself and his family period...

Trump has used sucker's and fools like yourself to get what he wants....

It's too bad your entire world revolves around this man...

Btw,

The ONLY thing he has done a decent job at is immigration....

But his videos with Epstein disgust me...
Trump has made a career out of deceiving, manipulating and robbing from folks....He has made a career out of bribing politicians too...

Half of his buildings in NYC were built by illegal immigrants who were later stiffed by him...

Btw,

In theory, Trump has said the right things because he knows how to obtain power off the American publics hatred/disgust with our political/judicial system....(Ie: Trump has been able to personally capitalize off of our anger)

And yes Americans do have anger with how corrupt our government is. As an Attorney I see this every day up close...

That is why I compared this to Germany during the 1930's.. Not in the same aspect by any means as Hitler/Nazis but the theory/ideas of how to obtain power are similar.

The bottom line is that I just DON'T trust Trump...I think he is just saying what most of us want to hear....He has backtracked on a lot of his promises too.... Just yesterday he said he wasn't going to go after Obama because "Obama has immunity and Obama can thank Trump for the immunity issue with the Supreme Court"

I am telling you right now that he is hiding something with this Epstein shit too. I don't know what but I just have a feeling...I also have a feeling that not a damn thing will happen to any of these people who did him wrong. Like Brennon/Hilary/Comey and the rest of them...

But I am not going to go back and forth with you anymore. It's a waste of time...And nobody besides you and I even post here anymore.

For all practical purposes Cheyenne might as well just shut this site down.

Not sure what is going on with this site but it was much better when we had more participation....